An automatic transmission on the gray Craftsmans is a variable speed belt drive. Cub Cadet has two that will work for you. @james, Yes, the tractor manufactures typically are parts changers so they only carry the major components. @Joe, HD has 6 different Ariens tractors this year. One is not noticeably better than the other. If you want a manual transmission (a real one not an inline 6 speed) youll have to go to a sub-compact tractor. A forum community dedicated to John Deere tractor owners and enthusiasts. Go here to troubleshoot your transmission and get help. They will be able to quickly help you with your antique Craftsman. The K46 is the most popular integrated hydrostatic transaxle (IHT) in the worldand for good reason. Starting with the K46, which is Tuff Torqs most popular basic transmission, each model with a higher number offers more improvements over the K46: The tradeoff for this improved performance is an increase in price. Lynn The hydrostatic drive started making a lot of noise this year. CVTs currently are only in the lawn tractors. If the trans part number comes up at searspartsdirect its a rs800. of logs in my tow behind cart up a hill or pull a 30 foot tree out of the woods or pull cars out of the snow and I need to know some info on this trans. Do any of the Husquvarna GT models use the K66 or heavier in their equipment? Then crawl under the Toro and check it out. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have. The upper injectors on the air box are the same connection design as the K46, but the lower ones on the throttle bodies are a newer design. Yeah I looked theyre black on the 2 auto models in store Are they the element v rs800-rt400 or is there another company making auto CVT these days? Hello again Paul. I ordered a replacement from an online vendor and installed it. need a 42 in cut deck , need strong trans.like to do up to 1/4 acre. Put the lever on the fender in F and then press the right foot pedal. I will hold off on my purchase to wait for your review of the 2019 mowers, hey paul first time on your sitegoing to buy husqvana TS 354 x or TS 354 XD one has a tufftorq K66eld the other has hydro gear G-730 I am cutting about 3 areas of lawn 1 or 2 times a week which do you think would With the larger 50 and 54 inch decks they need the stronger trans. The CVT sounds like the transmission I will look for. These are usually cast iron for long life and durability. Paul B 09 JD X300/42X deck (321 hours) :tango_face_glasses: 02 JD 724D snowblower had a JD 214 - 11 years had a Bolens QT16 - 7 years (talk about a whiney transaxle) had 2 Bolens 1050's - 21 years & 3 years. Thanks so much. The Troy-Bilt is the exact same mower as the Cub Cadet but they dont have as large of a dealer network. I just read some of the reviews on the 20391 and it seems a number of the reviewers werent happy with the RS 800 transaxle. Manual transmissions today do not have a clutch like a car or truck has. The 22 inch wheels and the 54-inch deck is too big for the lawn tractor transmission. Also, I would check the belt and idler springs that put tension on the belt before I would blame the transmission. Try it before you buy it! Never even see any of them anywhere. I have an older z 3050 toro time cutter. The rest of the mower is a nice step up from you old tractor. Hi Keith, just to keep the facts straight. I am pretty sure Cub Cadet has a better warranty program. Should I be worried about the transmission? You charge the mower using normal household current. Thank you for your comment. it is getting worn. You should always order your parts through searspartsdirect.com. Fill the hydro chamber through port on top of OEM supplied reservoir and bring oil. Their blades cure all the mowing issues that deck has. Not entirely sure that these upgrades are worth $600 though. You can find people who have had problems with the K46 in the heavier D160, D170 Deeres and the LGT Husqvarna tractors. I have had belts last 10 years in normal use and I have destroyed the belts in as little as a day trying to pull loads of dirt. The $1000 ones like the Craftsman T1000 have a manual, shift-on-the-go transmission. JavaScript is disabled. They are currently limited by battery technology and battery price but that is changing fast. Sep 1, 2020 / Tufftorq vs. Hydro-gear (again) - My convo with Tufftorq - comments? That said, if you have a lot of landscaping to mow around the hydro is easiest to drive. What did you decided on? Hi Dan, the T2 is the same trans as in the D125/D130 Deeres. Thanks, Also, if not the Poulan Pro, is there anything else you would recommend as a suitable replacement for the old Craftsman. Ill leave comments on my new to me home owner purchase. But you know that already thats the same way your old mower worked. Only the Craftsman Pro series uses the K58. The residential models you find on todays lawn tractors are sealed units and are not serviceable by you. The problem with this mower is the same as all LGT (light garden tractor) mowers in the $2000-$2500 price range. The new Craftsman tractors are really doing well. Please read these articles and reviews. Or, if you already know it is not enough buy something better, just make sure it really is better. elbow on fill port of hydro chamber will be attached to a remotely located expansion reservoir via a. rubber tube. OP . But they do not have anyone at a call center or store that can troubleshoot your problem over the phone. The only reason why he would tell you the engines are junk would be so that dealer could sell you a more expensive tractor with the Kubota diesel. Hello Paul, we have a 2009 Toro lawn tractor. Hi Bill, The exact replacement for your mower is It should turn smoothly without grinding noises. Commonly used in Lawn/Yard Tractors. All are Craftsmanmodel: 20409 (54 deck 24hp Briggs, 48 wheelbase, turn tight) and model: 27055 (54 deck 26hp Briggs, 40 wheelbase, turn tight extreme) and model: 27048 (50 deck, 26hp Kohler, locking differential, 40 wheelbase)no turn tightwhy?? Check the other wheel. of mowing, so I returned it for a refund. I have been using a 17.5 hp crafts man thats about 13 years old and it gets stuck on the hills and has been abused and in wearing out. The Craftsman T310 Turn Tight 24-HP-V twin 54 inch and the Craftsman T260 Turn Tight 23-HP-V twin 50 inch. They are gear, friction disk, automatic or CVT, hydrostatic, pump/motor, electric and hybrid. But in the meantime check to make sure no one has pulled out the coast lever on the back of the tractor. Going green The Best Electric Riding Mowers, Lawn Tractors and ZTRs. What does a locking differential do? That is the primary reason why zero-turn mowers cost more than the lawn tractors. It, too, broke after less than a hour of use. Good for maybe 100hours. Stage-5, Complete K66 Oil-Change Guide GT/TS, re-install fuel tank, and main body. Thanks for a great site and keep the info coming. I do like the CVT in the Poulan Pro PB20A46. But will be about $600 (Canadian) to replace Can you clear up my concerns and do you know if the 2015 models have improvements that may help assist me? which would you recommend? How would it compare to the TS354D? Its probably a T2 or smaller trans and Its designed for mowing lawns and little else. Be careful to route the clutch wire in the same way as the one you took off or it could catch and tear itself up when you go to use it after the repair. Bob. MTD has their own CVT. With the mower turned off sit on the seat and put your hands on the two large levers in front of you. The correct bagger is the Craftsman 19A30003799 4246 2-Bin Bagger. It should be smooth and no grinding noises. Changing the size of the pullies should affect rear diff speeds. Hi, looking to buy a riding mower.i ve been reading alot of your sites comments. so the transmissions may be too different. It now only starts when it wants to and the grass is only getting taller!!!! Hydrostatic transmissions are very easy to use. Best Riding Lawn Mowers - The ULTIMATE Guide | SuaveYards.com, 2019 Troy-Bilt Super Bronco XP 50 at Home Depot, Craftsman 19A30003799 4246 2-Bin Bagger, https://services.generaltransmissions.com/en/?lang=en, Craftsman 20407 48 24 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton with TurnTight Garden Tractor, Model #247255870 Craftsman lawn, tractor transmission, John Deere E140 48 in. The K58 in the Deere is the same transmission that Cub Cadet and Craftsman Pro are also using in tractors costing $1000 less than the Deere. The guys over there live and breathe modifying this stuff. I am considering the 4 year extended warranty. Do you have any idea what they are using? If it is then I suggest going to General Transmissions and get the correct OEM parts for it. Ill be doing mostly just mowing and snow plowing. Thanks for any info. On the 2015 & the 2016 models of the Craftsman Pro Series model # 20442 , 46 , 24hp Kohler engine, what # is the current transmission on this model # 20442 ? Hydro-Gear has a line of models, the ZT line, designed specifically with ZTRs in mind. Maybe somebody have the same problem? Ive read some reviews about a grinding noise in reverse and the Sears people can;t figure it out, and have actually told consumers to trade it for a machine with a hydro-static trans. Im tired of returning these things as this will be mower number 4 I return to Home Depot and will NOT buy mowers from them again. Hey Paul I have asked questions about my '09 Exccellerator before and from what I understand it has a hydrogear G730 trans. It will do fine on your lawn. Copy all those numbers. That is the engine that he had to work on. Thats just not possible here. Thank you for your answer, it helps me a lot. K46 transmissions are available for 18, 20, and 22 inch rear wheels. Just so you know, 3 baggers on a 42-46 inch mower is wider than the tractors so its easy to catch it on trees, fences, and shrubs. I used it to mow and to pull an overloaded yard cart up hills for years, but that finally caught up with me. You answered all my questions. Go back to the dealer where you purchased the tractor to get the parts. There are very few parts that wear in these transmissions and the recently introduced Element V from General Transmissions for your yard tractor is now stronger and requires less worry than all the hydrostatic transmissions. Thank you. Are they junk? Lawn Tractor Transmission Types Updated: January 2014. How do these 6-7 speeds compare to the say LT2000 or the K46? Of the 3 lawn tractors in this discussion the 28851 Craftsman is clearly the best deal (and its only $200 more than the Ariens). So, at this point in time the current models are not lasting 2-3 times longer. $15.50. I was unable to get a parts break down of the Ariens but it does have a variable speed pulley on the top of the trans so it is not a true hydro. Right, you pull back on the handle. You usually set the ground speed and then shuttle tractor forward and reverse as you mow. Check it out and then we can go from there to find the right mower for you. I have a leaf vac with a deck of same material and it has cracked around engine mounting holes and in various other locations on the deck. I do pull a small wagon with yard scrap. 25-HP V-Twin Kohler, Craftsman 54 Fast Auto 24 HP Briggs & Stratton V-Twin Turn Tight Garden Tractor Model 20408. That said, Is the transmission case black? If its a Craftsman call 1-800-4MY-HOME and get a tech out to repair it. Shops in my area do not rebuild them due to the high labor $$. @Shane, We really dont do troubleshooting here (even though sometimes I can guess whats wrong) I suggest you go over to https://www.mytractorforum.com/ and ask those guys. If you use it more than that, I would consider the extended warranty. Would you say that all machines sold today as Garden Tractors with hydrostats would have sufficiently-beefy units for hills, 300-600lb towing, ground-engage etc (Obviously, I wouldnt hold you to it)? You can buy a Husqvarna 960430212 YTA22V46 for $1700 to $1900. I dont exactly know why but I do know the Kohler 7000 and the Briggs & Stratton Husqvarna is using have great reputations. In other words over the last 3 years Cub Cadet has completely gone through their product line and their operations. The problem is it is almost an on/off type of device. I think its interesting the MTD is now using a Hydro-Gear trans in that mower. What kind of mower would you recommend? LGT stands for light garden tractor. In other words, its a good combination lawn tractor if you have soft spots in your lawn or slopes that you would normally have a hard time going up and down with a regular lawn tractor. Home Depot: Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series GT 50 in. TRANSMISSION GENTRANS VATR (582491201)/ Have they re-called them ? ), and a little less of a mohawk on the new bladesI notice the mohawk more when I have left the grass to grow an extra 1-2 days. The jump between gears often felt on manual transmission vehicles is absent in hydrostatic lawn mowers. Reservdelar. If your yard is all hills or you regularly pull 500 lb loads uphill then it does have a history of needing repair around 300-400 hours. TheElement V from General Transmissions is another CVT that you will now find in Yard Tractors. The specs for both the K58 and K66 are pretty close. Craftsman Pro with larger tires, power steering, larger deck, arm rests, and a lot bigger Kohler 7000 Elite engine. Hydraulic Equipments,Transmissions and Marine Gears, Foot Control : Dampening System or External Shock Absorber Available, Option (For Power Steering, Lift and Others) 6.9L/min, 31bars (450psi) @ 2,000rpm, Option (For Power Steering, Lift and Others) 9.3L/min, 31bars (450psi) @ 2,700rpm, IHT Transaxle series K (K46, K57, K58, K62, K66, K72), Speed control system can be selected between hand control and foot control, Cooling fan is optionally installed above the input shaft. Craftsman 20407 48 24 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton with TurnTight Garden Tractor.. For the cost of the rebuild kit a new unit just seems more cost effectve. It has the 12 HP Brigs engine and the manual 5 speed transmission. Have you changed to the new blades from Power Equipment Discounters? It is strong enough for your normal suburban lawn but not strong enough for hilly properties. Most manufacturer's used the K46 in the LT's The JD X324 to X360 use the K58 transmission. CVT Automatic Transmissions Simple to use, ideal for all terrain. 1. Hi Joe, The Ariens Ikon and Gravely are the same mower so you can go to either an Ariens or Gravely dealer for parts. K46: Simple basic model; K57: Installs a charge pump to the K46 for higher HST efficiency and longer life; K58: Premium model with higher load capacity from K57; Models for heavy-load. To research your parts you really need the numbers off of the transmission itself. 22 HP V-Twin Gas Hydrostatic Lawn Tractor, Craftsman 25587 42 19 HP Briggs & Stratton Fender Hydro Automatic Riding Mower. Tuff Torq told me that a new $1000 transmission would last no more than 100 hrs if I bought one. Or am I missing something here? You move the shift lever and it changes the diameter of the two drive pulleys on the top of the gear case. By the way, The rest of the Simplicity tractors like the Conquest and Prestige are good, high-end tractors. 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