I received my mossberg 500 and tested it. Id say 3 out of thousands is about as good as youll ever get, People like to raise a little sand over Mossbergs appearance, and attach too much significance to its low price. I cant stand the matte finish on the newer low dollar 870s. They are definitely good go-to guns. Tossing on a pistol grip stock setup or an AR-like adjustable stock doesnt create ergonomic issues. Change the rules? The ATI extension is about a quarter inch shorter than the 18.5 barrrel. future issue? Unfortunately, you cant change barrels with that model. The machine marks caused it to lock up so badly we had to take a 30 minuite break to get it open. Call them up, better free than paying 20 bucks for it online plus shipping! Thanks. Even though Ive converted my 870s safety to lefty, its never felt like a natural flow. They produce a drop in stock kit for the 870 and 500 that ive found to be extremely durable and very handy as it shortens the factory 18 870 by about 11. So buy a used Browing BPS, or a used 870 Wingmaster that was made by a craftsman years ago. style. ALL heavy-duty steel, fine walnut, and smooth as silk operation. with slug barrel and rifle sights ($95.95), and the Model 870 Remington Model 870 20 Gauge Pump Action Shotgun $ 471.99. 870 SPS-T Youth RS/TG Synthetic Turkey Camo Shotgun with Also introduced were the Model 870 No, its not cheap, but youll only need one ever. The Model 870 Express Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl is just the dual-purpose bird slayer you've been waiting for. i still want a 336 in .35. ^. Companies can still have bad apples even with the best QC in place. line. Great threadespecially appreciate Steve Sellers making me aware of the Browning options (pro and con) and his good advice to get a 20+ y.o. and subsequent additions to this versatile and stalwart shotgun: Remington introduced the new RemChoke system (with If I was going for a cheap clays gun Id go 870 but most other tasks 500. $145.00 New. Yes there are more accessories for the Mossberg 500, but there are more than enough for the 870 to do what you want with it. I was surprised you advised the Remington 870 trigger guard was plastic as their earlier models were not. Swapping to a pistol grip means its pointless and the Remy gets the nod. Besides Im no expert on shotguns, or home defense, but its sure nice to know you dont have to spend a fortune for a good home defense shotgun. The mossberg 590 appeared to be all steel. Its still reigns. Thats what I cut my teeth on when I served. All in all, the Remington Model 870 shotgun has earned its reputation as the geatest selling pump shotgun in firearms history. and selling this custom, engraved gun and protective case Also if u look at what shotgun most police departments are issuing u will find that the majority probably close to 70 percent of agencies that issue shotguns are issuing Remington 870s. Remington 870 Wingmaster TB Trap Variant 2 3/4 inch 30 Full .687 Fixed Choke Very Good Condition 196. Remington didnt even want us to ship the barrel to them for examination. I bought a Mossberg 500 almost a month ago and it gave me trouble with the loading mechanism getting stuck. 870 Express Tactical. But being left-handed and kind of a cheapass, any pump gun Ive bought has been a Mossberg, simply because that tang safety you dont like is ambidextrous. Perhaps if the words in the comment trigger and hammer were reversed, the true picture would emerge, viz., by having the HAMMER cocked on a live round, you could very quickly jack 6 rounds out in a hurry just by holding the TRIGGER back, as there is nothing to keep it from following the bolt freely. (As said, it is the lack of trigger disconnect from the sear which allows this, not following the bolt freely, whatever that means.) My expectation is that a shotgun marketed for home defense it should not need significant rounds of break-in. +$22.95 shipping. I like it since I like to switch up shooting from left and right shoulder. ventilated rib barrel. Forty years ago we would buy used Remington 870s at gun shows other dealers or out of ads in newspapers. I can scratch that surface pretty darn easily as I have (not intentionally) once slipping with the wrench that holds the shell holder on, having that lightly skim across the surface and really making a permanent and noticeable 2 inch mark and then once just being a little careless rearranging all my rifles in one of my safes. While the finish and design on the 870 is sleek and solid, the 500 has some exposed mechanics and a strange slotted lifter design that I just dont like. All in all Ill stick to the 870 first, but wouldnt hesitate to grab one of my mossbergs if family and friends took ahold of the remingtons before me. It is the best shotgun ever produced. My colleague had issues with the gun 870 express tacti-cool locking up and not ejecting the shell, the last time was so bad we removed the barrel and with some positive nudging we got the barrel off and then had to pry out the shell (He was using manufactured rounds and not my re-loads) noticed it was a bit dirty in the load block and extractor but not too bad. I bought a used 870 Wing Master back in the 90s in 20 ga.. My gun dealer said it was made in 1967. Purpose stocks and forends were changed to American walnut and a Yeah a AR feels a lot smoother then an AK so i guess AKs are unreliable junk because you say so? Model 870 SP-T Super Magnum Thumbhole stock shotgun and a Its an easy choice, go for the 590A1. Bill Laughridge at Cylinder and Slide once told me he didnt give a damn if a pistol cost $10,000.00; that what counted is that it worked every time you pulled the trigger and that it didnt malfunction, and would feed every brand and type of ammo you can put in a .45ACP Government Model. youtube.com/watch?v=tN5Zs0xa1t8, sure, breaking down the gun takes a couple minutes (like 3) but you can literally swap the extractor with the bolt still in the gun without an issue. Will the new RemArms get rid of plastic followers, the obnoxious dimples in the magazine tube, and other design changes driven by cost-cutting? Just spray it out with spray gun cleaner, let drain/dry, and re-lube. The 37 is solid, but I have a serious complaint about the bottom eject. barrel, and synthetic stock and fore-end (for $439). The 870 proved to be more modern, reliable, and affordable. The shop swapped out the pistol grip for a standard stock. were discontinued. Exclusive deals, discounts, new product launches, coupon codes and more. gear. They are both shotgun legends and while I have my preference towards Mossberg I would trust both of them, assuming I didnt get a freedom group ruined gun. and improved wood finish. Man I can feel the fanboyism from here Additionally Ive had several more deep scratches that would normally be easily buffed out on most any other gun. Even nicer than most Wingmaster. I paid 185 for mine used in excellent condition that holds 8 rounds with an adjustable length folding stock with pistol grip. purchase helps support my work in bringing you more awesome gun and gear articles. Remington also began In parts and synthetic stock and forend. Is there anything I should be looking for? Reach in the tube and push forward on the next round. It now has pitting in the barrel and the extractor needs to be replaced but it still functions and is my baby Its been used as a paddle to the duck blind. Model 870 Express Jr. NWTF Edition shotgun. Consenting to these technologies will allow us to process data such as browsing behavior or unique IDs on this site. One thing Ive never heard mentioned anywhere but in the police training Ive had: The 870s feed mechanism allows the shooter to instantly switch from shot to slug with a round chambered. From kids with .410s to breachers with short PGO 870s. towards your level. stocks (no pistol grip) and 21-inch ventilated rib barrels in Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore reserves the right to modify or change pricing information or descriptions without notice. Youth Turkey Gun versions, However, my personal 12ga is an 88 Mossy 500. 3. My BPS setup is the standard Hunter with 26 barrel, and I bought a 22 upland barrel (again not cheap) that can be used also for home defense. New (Other) $279.95. Aint it? Remington Model 870. the name Lightweight Limited to Model 870 20 gauge Give em another year and they probably will. In California, an AOW or a C&R SBS/SBR are the only NFA items we are allowed unless we sell to law enforcement/military or are an armorer to movie studios. Joe Genzel Scopes and reflex sights have become popular amongst turkey hunters. Remington 870 20 Gauge LW Magnum Vent Rib 28 Inch mod choke Barrel. Ive shot & hunted with too many shotguns to count but that 870 is dear to me. REM Arms Firearms 870 Side Folder 20 Gauge 3" 18" 6+1 Matte Black Oxide Rec/Barrel Black Fixed Right $ OUT OF STOCK. Remington You also didnt even mention that the M 88 can be had for like $220. I think your simpleness is showing there bub. What do you not prefer about the location/function etc, of the safety on the 870s? Model Heck, maybe thats why Sarah Connor chose the 870 to fight Terminators. Dual extractors and a screw on ejector are a nice touch compared to the 870. Mossberg felt like it was going to fall apart? We get a cross-bolt safety that sits at the rear of the trigger, making it a little less intuitive than desirable. forend $365). I had another stock cut down and made into a pistol grip, and the barrel cut to 18 1/4, Hastings chokes installed, and it is now a very concealable 27 +/- long. 870 shotgun! So a BPS is not great for clay bird competitions or for a combat reload. Also you shouldnt disassemble a BPS unless you are mechanically inclined see youtube videos on this. Dual purpose shotgun. Gotta say I love Travis's very old school bayonet lug. There are lighter ones, too. Model 870 Express Shotgun in 28-gauge and .410 bore. Gauge, and the Model 870 Express Youth Gun. But then I prefer the old corncob or spool style forend on any pump gun. standard and magnum versions, with scaled-down receivers and mahogany But, the Ithaca is irreplaceable now so it stays in the house in bad weather. But I am partial to my 1954 made Winchester Model 97. Remington Just this last weekend I and the party I was with were fraught with 870 issues. 870 150th If I say Remington 870, you could picture many guns, from the militarys MCS to your grandfathers bird gun. Mossberg had to replace 3 parts on the gun, so maybe I got a bad lemon. I think I do remember something mentioned about a magnum receiver on them but my memory is not what it used to be and I havent started my research on the net yet in pursuit of a definite answer. Ive had nothing but bad luck with the 870. anyone hear of the rem 7400s where the lugs shear and the gun can explode? I run a mossberg 500 security field combo. They never failed. I have been debating between Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870. It fits with the price tag and the overall style of the gun though, so Im not complaining. Over the next three years 1,503 pairs would be sold. The slide operation may not be as slick as a top of the line Wingmaster, but neither is the price. Theres a reason why as of 2016, the top five best selling shotguns goes has follows in this order: Model 870 Express super Magnum Synthentic with 28 barrel and And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. The mossberg feels like its going to fall apart? I bought a beautifully blued Remington 870 Police Magnum. 870, 45, ak, ruger. The only issue Ive ever seen with reliability is short-stroking. YMMV. This gun just moved to the top of my Christmas list, and I might have an early Christmas this year. We carry 870Ps loaded with 00 Tactical (reduced recoil) buckshot. It was on there solid and still caused complete deterioration again, down to the raw metal. It slides like its on well-worn and oiled ball bearings. stocks and hard carrying cases, selling for $395 the If the bead sits directly on the barrel, the shotgun will appear to hit high and be difficult to aim in a pinch. 870 Deer Gun. introduced what many believe is the finest pump shotgun ever And unless Mossberg is paying you to verbally jerkoff about their products online you just sound like an idiot. Ill have some popcorn. company also introduced the Model 870 Special Field They replaced the barrel. $449.99. matte finish and low luster hardwood stock and forend. breech locked securely in a hardened barrel extension, and a new I have been looking at the Mossberg 590A1 for a long while. This is where my Wingmaster lives now on the wall of my gun room. Century was a milestone product year for the Remington Arms Company. for $550. It is worth the extra money. improved cylinder, modified, and full chokes. The BPS is the same price as a new 870 Wingmaster, so it aint cheap. $425). enable_page_level_ads: true many years of service. These shotguns sold for $132.47, and I teach 4H shooting sports, and the only gun Ive seen have a problem was one kid Mossburg 500 where the shell wasnt able to be loaded in because of its load gate. Remington also introduced Model 870 20 gauge Lightweight differs from the standard Model 870 line only in exterior Prices ranged from $139.95 Ive already gushed over the smooth action, but theres more to it than that. They are all over at gun stores. 870 28 gauge and .410 shotguns were offered individually, in place introduced a 20 gauge magnum Model 870 ADL and Model I think it would be interesting to explore who exactly owns the Remington brand and the intellectual property behind the 870. ruger. of the RSA Journal? introduced with 20 slug barrel, recoil pad and rifle sights discontinued the Model 870 SA Skeet shotgun in 12, 20, 28 and Remington 870 Hardwood 12 Gauge Home Defense Pump Shotgun $ 319.00; Mossberg 500 20 Gauge Left-Handed All-Purpose Pump Shotgun $ 269.00; Henry Lever Action Axe .410 Bore $ 949.99 $ 910.99; Benelli SuperNova Tactical 12GA 3-1/2" 18" Black 4+1 Pump-Action Shotgun w/ Pistol Grip and Ghost Ring Sights 20160 $ 499.00 Tell me more though about customization, since the 870 seems to have about half the available options of the 500 available on the aftermarket marketplace. Remington also made a Model 870 SPS-T Super Magnum Camo CL/RD And there the only brand that I know of that builds gun parts out of plastic. Mossberg 590A1. I agree. I would contact Remington Arms or one of their warranty dealers in your area. A good rule of thumb with any gun is that they are like an engine they need to be broken in and at least 200 rounds is the bare minimum you will want to run before assessing issues. fiber-optic sights and Mossy Oak Break-Up finish on metal Police model can be had parkerized or blued. Grade (for $89.95), Model 870SA Skeet Grade Accurate and reliable. Youth Turkey Camo gun. American walnut stock and forend. But bang/buck ratio? Yet this remarkable shotgun has been around for more than half a century, and has become the best-selling shotgun of any type in history, with over 11 million made. Its not the prettiest, but by far the classiest it just dont get any more classic or Murican than an 870. Your average gun owner is not going to put 250 through the pipe as a function test, nor are they going to sit in their room and rack it a thousand times to get a nice smoothed action =] Most people put perhaps 10 shells or less and throw it in the closet or under a bed. Holds 4 in the tube, one in the chamber whereas the Super Shorty holds 2 in the tube. Sauer SL5 Turkey Gun. The gun also features improved action bars for a silky-smooth action. The Remington 870 isnt like the Glock 19. Thats the part riveted into the frame, correct? Premier Grade (for $678.55), Model 870S Trap Special Also appreciated Pete in Alaskas making us aware of the Bullpup Unlimited kit, for the R870! added the 12 gauge Model 870 SP Special Purpose Deer Gun While it may not sound like much, its the only issue I found on the entire gun. If given the choice of the Benelli and a Remington on a $350 budget. Apparently something was slightly off in the manufacturing process and the Remington rep was familiar with this problem. Remington Dual-action bars help prevent binds, increase reliability, and result in a super-smooth action. While it wont knock off the 590, my express tactical is more solidly built than the 500 and maverick 88( 500 and Maverick 88 both experienced cracking trigger housings, and I jad to replace them via a quick mail order to Brownells), The basic 870 can be easily upgraded over time to save you some change. First revolutionary in 1963 as the first reliable gas semiauto and then revolutionary again . My admittedly sketchy and incomplete information suggests that the Remington name was purchased out of bankruptcy by Vista Outdoor, who then split the name into two separate subsidiaries, Remington Ammunition and Remington Arms. Plus as oft stated, your mileage may very, but Ive had friends that bought the Nova, found performance problems and cut corners with them, and ended up buying either an 870, or mossberg in disgust. I would have sent it back to Remington except as an NFA item, I didnt want the hassle of trying to get it repaired, shipping, etc. Only complaint was having to sand down the magazine dimples in order to make it accept an extended magazine. All these amazing features make it one perfect casual outerwear to get compliments from your fashion friends. When I first joined the standard shotgun was the Remington 870 with short cylinder-bore barrel and plain wood furniture. Ill stick to my Maverick (with Limbsaver recoil pad and 18.5 and 28 barrels). I looked up the closest Remington certified gunsmith, and took it to McBrides in Austin (high-end gun store), where they fixed it under warranty. If you have a task requiring a shotgun, then the Remington 870 can get it done in style. If a pump-action shotgun is on your wish list, you should feel good knowing that a quality, basic pump-action shotgun isnt an expensive weapon. In the end I traded it to a junkyard man for a 88 Isuzu trooper that wasnt a good idea either. Then, when you put the gun up against some competition, and you start to realize just how good you have it. I owned a Wingmaster 870 I bought new in 1977, still have it and never had a issue with it, I purchased a Mossy 500 about a year ago, it racked like a import, the safety almost needed a hammer to disengage it, forestock rocked like it was going to fall off, I sold the gun about 3 months after I bought it, basically a POS, anyone who would choose a mossy over a Remington has not own both, no way. Also new was a Remington Model SGW REMINGTON SPR310 O/U Shotgun 20GA . Instead of sending it back I just tried to deal with the sight issue by aiming high left. Many a dove ended up on the grill or oven thanks to our 870s. Sorry to tell you this but the Nova isnt a true Bennelli, its Bennelli branded but made in Turkey( run down to your local gun shop and seeththe cheaper off brand shot guns imported from Turkey -they are aldo designed just like the Nova, with that weird looking oversized front sight!). Question of the Day: How Can the NRA Become Less White? I want to be safe and have fun rather than spend money for this type of lock-up problem. First, lets talk all about accuracy. Not as accurate as other shotguns Ive fielded, but definitely more reliable and consistent. Its the same finish on the high dollar $800 Magpul Edition. Anniversary seal stamped on the receiver, including the Model field, target and Deer Gun shotguns. I picked up an 870 Tactical model about 2 years ago and it is one of my favorite weapons. 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